the baker’s answer to the needle peddler (mother goose)

i need not your needles, they're needless to me;
for kneading of needles were needless, you see;
but did my neat trousers but need to be kneed,
i then should have need of your needles indeed.

zero or one?

as i was going to st. ives,
i met a man with seven wives,
each wife had seven sacks,
each sack had seven cats,
each cat had seven kits:
kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
how many were going to st. ives?